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Get the facts about sagging Linux server sales November 4, 2007

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Joe Barr over at Linux.com has written an opinion piece on the Linux server sagging sales. He bases his opinions on Peter Galli over at eWeeks article. In his opinion piece Joe bases his “research” on Red Hat and Novell financial revenue reports. The opinion piece is also representative of what happens if you drink too much of the zealot kool-aidIDC and eWeek based their research on system sales.

All Joes opinion piece does is show that you can manipulate numbers to be in your favor if you really wish to do.

Using Red Hat and Novells financial reports is flawed and useless for the context of the original article. What Galli and IDC have reported is a much stronger case. By using Red Hat and Novells reports Linux does look like its on the rise but one thing those reports lack is the fact if these are new licenses or if they also include renewals. Tracking server sales is much more reliable because unlike desktop systems, vendors do offer the choice of what OS to preinstall, whether it is Solaris, Linux or Windows. If a customer buys a system with Windows Server system, they will more then likely use Windows on that server. If they buy a Linux server, they more than likely will use Linux and the same for Solaris. So right now on the official scoreboard Windows is winning on new servers sold.

This however does not mean Linux or even Solaris is lacking. Solaris x86 and Linux are often used on retiring workstations, retiring servers that run a variety of file and print servers, web servers and old PCs that are even being utilized as firewall appliances. What will those users buy when those machines have to be replaced? With the current trend it appears to be Windows.

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1. joebarr - November 4, 2007

Are you insane? I used facts, Galli used flawed analysis — even according to IDC — of data which does not measure market size, strength, or vitality.. I used facts, not an invisible report. You can verify the facts, they are published online.

The opinion part of my piece has to do with the asslicking shills in the tres duh press who act as if they are part of the echo chamber of the blogosphere. Mindless idiots blindly repeating what they have read elsewhere.

2. Roberto J. Dohnert - November 5, 2007

You used financial earning reports from the companies in question, which do not accurately reflect the sale of server systems. This reflects how many licenses the companies have sold.

I agree with you that their server deployments arent going anywhere and that the report that Galli used does not reflect systems that are custom built, how many linux deployments are not under any type of support ie they do not pay the distributor for support and how many systems are replaced and reused with a Linux distribution or how many people just went to E-bay and bought a system..

Gallis figures figured how many units that were shipped with Linux. That was the point of his article. Not that Linux was losing share but that Linux Server System sales were down.

3. joebarr - November 5, 2007

The meme being sown is that Linux is losing to Windows. Google for Galli’s story and find the dozens of posturing pundits offering idiotic explanations for THAT, not for some meaningless non-sequitur about preload x86 sales.

My article is based on facts which address that meme. The truth is that Linux continues to take market share. The duplicity that MS wants to spread is that it is losing same.

For you to criticize my report because it uses facts, and at the same time to demur to the lies, duplicity, and willful misinformation in Galli’s story, is puzzling at best.

Microsoft’s greatest skill has always been in lying. Skillful liars can point to irrelevant facts to bolster their bullshit. The definition of a lie is an attempt to deceive. That’s what Microsoft and its sycophantic shills in the trade press are attempting to do.

What about you?

4. Roberto J. Dohnert - November 6, 2007

” The meme being sown is that Linux is losing to Windows. Google for Galli’s story and find the dozens of posturing pundits offering idiotic explanations for THAT, not for some meaningless non-sequitur about preload x86 sales.”

Thats not the “meme being sown” the fact is that more server shipments are shipping with Windows than Linux. I have read Galli’s article and Im pretty sure that if/when OEM’s wish to disclose sales thats whats going to be seen. Sun Microsystems even entered into an OEM agreement with Microsoft because their customers are requesting Windows, not because they are trying to destroy Linux. Your article just attempts to disprove that Linux is losing share.

” My article is based on facts which address that meme. The truth is that Linux continues to take market share. The duplicity that MS wants to spread is that it is losing same.”

Your article is based on financial earnings reports for a couple of Linux distributors. Using those earning reports doesnt prove that Linux is continuing to gain share, its just proving that Red Hat is making money and Novell is making money. I have conceded and I agree that Linux may not be losing share. Galli’s article as I have said before is calculating shipments of Linux servers and Windows servers. It doesnt take into account repurposed machines. How many people have downloaded PCLinuxOS, StartCom, Debian, CentOS and others for use as server systems? We dont know. The question is which system has more shipments. So far from the data collected Windows is it.

” For you to criticize my report because it uses facts, and at the same time to demur to the lies, duplicity, and willful misinformation in Galli’s story, is puzzling at best.”

I didnt criticize your report because it uses “facts”. Your report is biased, one sided, reeks of zealotry and doesnt address the question. You dig up the data to try and prove that Linux is gaining share. Your article is equivalent to Ford saying its shipped X number of Vehicles and Daimler-Chrysler retorting that they made money so obviously people are buying their vehicles as well. Your article doesnt disprove Galli’s it just brings to the table an entirely different discussion.

” Microsoft’s greatest skill has always been in lying. Skillful liars can point to irrelevant facts to bolster their bullshit. The definition of a lie is an attempt to deceive. That’s what Microsoft and its sycophantic shills in the trade press are attempting to do.”

Are you saying that Microsoft payed Galli, eWeek and IDC to print a falsity? Im not so sure about that one. You dislike Bill Hilfs opinion? All he talks about is what roles people are deploying Windows for, I agree with the man and personally didnt find the comments he made to be insulting to Linux or cheerleading. If you look at one of the constant comments from people deploying Linux, Solaris or even Mac OS X is that they love those systems but they continue to use Microsoft products.

” What about you?”

Im just interested in the facts. Personally Im a happy UNIX, Linux and Windows user who believes all those systems have their uses and their good points as well as bad.

5. Idetrorce - December 15, 2007

very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
Idetrorce


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